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what's up jay how are you today sir

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i'm doing great i'm doing great it's our

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it's our second show of the day

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it's wonderful to have um this kind of

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book ending experi

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experience with a day with you i'm i'm

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really digging it it's fun um we're in

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kind of like the middle of a doctoral

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sandwich you know we had dr avilobe on

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earlier and now we've got dr michael

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masters coming up here i know um

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i'm i'm psyched about it i think it's

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great we went all the way from harvard

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to uh butte montana

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and uh we went all the way forward and

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backward in time and uh yeah over the

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course or we will by the end of the

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evening so i'm psyched how are you doing

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oh good i feel um really great i got my

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hat my my confidence hat

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oh yeah yeah

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i saw that uh in the last chat earlier

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today that shirelle was wondering

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whether you were gonna be had it or not

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and uh the answer is both today

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right

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yeah you know you gotta switch something

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up when you're doing two shows so we

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gotta like a schrodinger's hat situation

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i'm talking paradoxes okay so no i'm ex

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i'm excited about this one man um i i've

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been uh listening to

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um dr michael p masters his book

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that you can find in the description of

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this video i've been listening to the

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audio version i really enjoy it so it

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i love the new twist not i don't know if

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it's new or not i guess but i love the

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the different uh perspective at looking

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abduction cases and uh looking at

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ufology in a different way like that so

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i look forward to uh tickling his brain

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a bit

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i think that was an indiana jones movie

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at one point but yeah all right that's

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right i'm glad i didn't make that up

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that'd be embarrassing

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great to see everybody in the chat here

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today water lily uh shane mikey

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uh jared um many others andres

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toby uh wonderful wonderful wonderful to

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see you all uh should i get into the bio

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should we get in yeah let's do it

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all right

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dr michael masters is a professor of

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biological anthropology at montana

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technological university in butte

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montana he received a phd in

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anthropology from the ohio state

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university in 2009 where he specialized

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in hominin evolutionary anatomy

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archaeology and biomedicine

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recent research examines the premise

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that ufos and quote unquote aliens could

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be our human descendants returning from

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the future to study their own

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evolutionary past

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in 2019 he published identified flying

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objects a multi-disciplinary scientific

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approach to the ufo phenomenon his

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book which further scrutinizes this time

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travel theory to explain at least part

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of the ufo phenomenon is titled the

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extratempestrial model which was

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published this year just back in june

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collectively dr master's background

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education and current research program

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combined to offer a unique perspective

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and a novel approach to addressing

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unanswered questions pertaining to a

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widely recognized yet poorly understood

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aspect of modern global culture

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dr masters it's great to have you here

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on the show today great to be here

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thanks fellas appreciate you having me

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jay good to see you i made your

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acquaintance in uh houston in march

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absolutely in the archives conference

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which was fantastic

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it really was i mean it's hard to i mean

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you know kind of time travel fomo um

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you know but um that's why we're here

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though right

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you know i've said before and it's been

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said to me by other people that were

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you know jeff cripel or anything like

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that but it's like if i if i were to go

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back in groundhog day like a day

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those days it wouldn't be so bad i don't

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know i wouldn't mind that

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they need to have tt fomo i think more

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stuff like that's gonna keep happening

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i look forward to it i think everybody

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because academia is starting to open

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their minds a little bit it's great to

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of those how many days would you need

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i don't know that's a good question

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i would say many you don't have to have

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what i really do appreciate uh

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you're so you are so intelligent you

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know and you take this topic seriously

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and you you are doctor masters whether

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you want to be called that or not right

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and and you still take the topic of

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abduction seriously in close encounters

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it it's a breath of fresh air you know

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it really is every time that enters

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ufology i'm i'm thankful to see that so

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thanks for doing that yeah i mean i

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dedicated my last book to the the brave

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people who have had experiences i i

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uh regretful if that somewhat jaded you

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but no i i definitely respect those that

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have the bravery to come out and talk

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place for people because that what i

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found so many people reach out to me and

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know i can tell them what so many other

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direction of different groups or

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individuals that are are good at kind of

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the psychology of this and most of them

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just want to know there's other people

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they just want a community of people

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that have had these same experiences

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where they don't feel like they're alone

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anything about ufology to be quite

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honest with this so

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you know to find that pilots scientists

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you know lawyers doctors everything that

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some uh type of anomalous experience and

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you know big moment where i'm like uh

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i'm not alone i'm not just freaking

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crazy like other people have gone

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and for a lot of people it takes that

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like like speaking of jeff craig post

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book the flip is entirely about that so

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many people flip from being staunch

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materialist to being open-minded because

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of some experience they have and for

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many that's that's what it takes is to

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have that personal experience you'll

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hear people say that all the time like

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i'll believe it when i see it you know

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we have all of these idioms and cliches

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about that because it takes that for so

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having not had an experience i i see

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patterns i see recurrences i see these

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trends that make it clear to me that

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there's something happening i don't have

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to have an experience myself if you just

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pay attention to the phenomenon i think

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you can transcend that flip that needs

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kind of open your mind and pay attention

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i think that's all it takes and i think

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more of us should be doing that and

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that's your seeing to believing though a

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lot of people need to see to believe

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right but that's

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in essence the same thing what you

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described for yourself and your own

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studies right

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is you're not seeing a phenomenon so to

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speak but you're seeing the data yeah

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that's a good point i guess that is seen

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in some way but so many people just uh

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disregard anything that's anomalous or

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paranormal and and they don't get the

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chance to see but if you open your mind

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attention to this i think it's clear

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that something real is happening and

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it we should definitely be paying

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yeah jay you want to start it off with

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the first question here sure yeah along

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those lines um

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you know it's true a lot of people have

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a block there where they can deal with

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the idea of something mysterious in the

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sky

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but for whatever reason it becomes

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deeply challenging to comprehend as soon

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as it's close enough to touch or if

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there are entities involved right when

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did you realize that abduction cases

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were something that really should be

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paid close attention to and as a

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biological anthropologist what's most

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compelling to you about there being a

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fundamental reality to interpersonal

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contact with beings and even abduction

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cases

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well i think to the first part we

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we do suffer from ontological shock and

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the same way you suffer from culture

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shock when you go somewhere

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very dissimilar to your own culture you

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feel anxious and oftentimes depressed

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and uncertain about where you are and

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particularly if if the language is

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different if the culture's very

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different from your own

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if people are shooting at you if you're

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so and a lot of people don't want that

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they don't want to challenge their world

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view they want to go to church they want

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to be told the same thing that their

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ancestors told them and their ancestors

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told them and so on and so forth and i'm

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not singling out religion here but

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it's it's one of the main reasons it

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exists is it gives us comfort

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and solidarity as emil durkheim pointed

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out bringing us together but also a

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world view that's comfortable we've

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known it since we grew up and we

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will teach the same thing to our kids

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and

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uh we'll all share in the same symbolism

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and rituals that that our predecessors

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did

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but

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to get out of that to take kind of an

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ichi and god is dead perspective like if

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we do challenge that not just religion

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but all of our preconceived notions of

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the way reality is and we start to open

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our minds to other possibilities you see

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things that are utterly fascinating and

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for me

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i've always been more interested in

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those things the ones that don't

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necessarily

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conform to

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the the conventional

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consensus of what reality is and it's

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been fun i feel like my life has been

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just going down

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a multiverse of rabbit holes so to speak

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where

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uh ev every leaf i turn over there's a

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hundred more leafs and and obviously you

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can go

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down the wrong path you can turn over

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the wrong leaf but there eventually

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becomes something that that teaches you

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that maybe you should backtrack or look

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at that more critically but i definitely

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don't think we should just close

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everything off and not turn over any

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leafs because it it may challenge our

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worldview it may make us uncomfortable

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in a

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sort of mental capacity

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um for me personally it's really kind of

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been a lifelong pursuit because i i

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heard about an encounter my father had

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when i was eight and that for me was

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a mind opening thing you know when

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you're eight years old my my son is

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eight years old his name's actually avi

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uh

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the same as your previous guest he was

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named after a child uh book author uh

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but we've always liked that name

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and uh

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it's easy for me now to tell this story

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as someone who has an eight-year-old to

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kind of put myself in his mind and see

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what it was like for me because it was a

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very long time ago but i do remember it

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very vividly just hearing about this

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very standard ufo encounter and how he

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was trying to wrap his head around it

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how he conceptualized it

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and it really challenged me to start

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thinking about things in different terms

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so i really turned to science because i

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i was raised in a fundamentalist

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christian household and i wasn't getting

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the answers i was looking for so i i

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turned to science as a way to try to to

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learn more about it and i have no

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regrets about that it's been a really

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interesting journey

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uh a lot of uh what

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you know you've studied in the amount of

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time you put into this is has been kind

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of looking at uh the human body and you

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know in the future what it could look

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like

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um as as far as bigger eyes or bigger

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heads can you go into

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that just a little bit as far as how you

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came up with those kind of conclusions

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saying that is kind of you know typical

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greg could be how we look in the future

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yeah the the challenge is actually to go

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into it a little bit i i tend to go well

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do what you want

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it's what i do for a living that was the

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career path i chose initially when i

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wanted to study this i was looking at it

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from a physics and astronomy standpoint

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that was my major

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as an undergraduate and then i changed

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my major late my sophomore

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year and i'm really glad i did because

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that was the part that always fascinated

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me and it gave me the opportunity to

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travel and do digs in south africa and

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southern france and all around the

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united states so

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even i figured even if this whole time

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traveling aliens thing didn't pan out at

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least i got some really great

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experiences doing something i love

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because i am innately interested in

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human evolution and human variation

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um you're probably one of the only

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people that's ever said that if if yeah

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i'm traveling

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doesn't work out

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it might be

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true i'll have to check the references

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on that but

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no it it for me early on it was um

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a little extra back story not not long

401
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after

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my worldview was challenged by hearing

403
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about my father's ufo experience which

404
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actually happened before i was born he

405
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was just telling the story to some

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people and i happened to overhear it

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i i saw whitley strieber's book on the

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um living room shelf and

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it

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sort of created this image in my head of

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uh early hominin form uh modern human

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form in this quintessential gray alien

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form

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and and instantly i i noticed

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familiarity and i recognized the

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similarity in their morphological

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characteristics having no framework with

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which to actually think about that in

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any more detail than what i just said

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um

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so

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yeah i think it was just that

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that

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what we call now synapomorphies or

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homologies the similarity in our our

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physical traits we can start old in the

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fact that tetrapods existed for 400

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million years

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and in

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99 of cases they have four limbs and on

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those limbs in most cases they have

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penedactyl characteristics five digits

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on each

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but then you move past that what i

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really specialized in in graduate school

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was the cranial facial characteristics

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the the upper skull what we call the

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neurocranium

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the my main focus was on the eyes and

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the orbits specifically because eyes

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unfortunately don't preserve in the

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archaeological record

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and then the mid and lower facial

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anatomy and how those characteristics

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are integrated or if they're more

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modular and how they change over time

447
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and affect each other

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and the more i looked into this the more

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i realized that if we just continue the

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same six to eight million year trends

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that characterize our hominin past we're

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likely to look very similar to these

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archetypal grey aliens that i saw on the

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cover of whitley strieber's book

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around age eight or nine so

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that was kind of the starting point

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for me and and obviously you know you

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have to acknowledge confirmation by a

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selection bias and i was aware of that

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i wasn't looking for things that that

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backed this up and dismissing everything

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else

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rather i was trying to refute myself i

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was like is this worth it do i continue

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on this path or should i go into

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business or medicine or something where

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i could actually make some money as an

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adult

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uh but stuck with it sacrificed the the

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money thing for the uh the knowledge and

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passion to

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investigate this further but i was

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always self-checking and the more i

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learned the more i realized that this

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just makes a lot of damn sense like

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those the the primary trends to answer

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your questions so i'm kind of getting

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long-winded here but

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primary trends are an increase in

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encephalization increase in brain cells

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our brains are three times larger

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than our earliest common ancestors going

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back to aurora and tuganensis the early

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australopithecines cerebral vicus

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aferensis animensis

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and then

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uh beyond the size though

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is shape one of the most important

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things is shape because our frontal

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lobes moved out over top of our eyes

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i've said many times we're the only

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mammal with that craniofacial

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configuration but it's also widened we

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see a mediolateral expansion not just of

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our frontal lobes but mostly our

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parietal lobes and that's the one that

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really changed in size

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and i i had the opportunity to

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collaborate for many years with one of

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the top uh paleonurologists in spain

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and he focused on the pre-cunis and the

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parietal lobe in general but that's

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where we see this big expansion and if

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you look at these grays the the

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quintessential description is this big

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round head and and that correlates with

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how we are today in modern humans that's

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one of the traits that defines our

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specific subspecies homo sapiens sapiens

510
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is we have neurocranial globularity we

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have big round heads small faces to the

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extent that we have a chin a mental

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eminence

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so you take all of these characteristics

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even behind beyond the tetrapods the

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the penidectoly encephalization the

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neurocranial globularity retracted and

518
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reduced face what we call prognathism

519
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or orthognathism rather and then you

520
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also focus on the fact that our

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technology has evolved tremendously over

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time

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they can breathe our air for instance

524
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they seem to be concerned about uh

525
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disease transmission which you wouldn't

526
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necessarily expect with something that's

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very different from ourselves there's

528
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just so many things that that scream

529
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human the scream hominin

530
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in some way so that's kind of been the

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focus of my research but i also focused

532
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on

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uh other things as well the craft the

534
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technology and then with this most

535
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recent book the abductions and what we

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might learn from patterns that emerge

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now awesome

538
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thank you along along those lines um

539
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you know a recently

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uh hal put off uh

541
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put finally put out his

542
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output off

543
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right um that guy's got his finger in

544
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every dike man i swear he knows what's

545
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going on oh my gosh hold on yeah look

546
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actually my partner um uh my partner um

547
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is kind of

548
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she's adjacent to this whole thing and

549
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that she is

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she's really interested in ufology but

551
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she's kind of more of an ancient

552
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mysteries kind of person you know yeah

553
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before you go any further can i mention

554
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a weird synchronicity real quick of

555
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course man at rice university yeah

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you're talking about what she called

557
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like a fuzzy klepto squirrel or

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something

559
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it's called a pack rat i found a dead

560
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one about a year ago we were talking

561
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about it

562
00:20:49,029 --> 00:20:47,760
and i should

563
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:49,039
look at all these pictures and they're

564
00:20:53,270 --> 00:20:50,720
the most adorable thing ever i just

565
00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:53,280
caught one two days ago

566
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:54,159
no way

567
00:20:57,669 --> 00:20:55,840
i'm gonna be on with jay in like two

568
00:20:59,190 --> 00:20:57,679
days and i have like a live version of

569
00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:59,200
this we went out in the woods we set it

570
00:21:02,310 --> 00:21:00,000
free

571
00:21:03,430 --> 00:21:02,320
it was just this weird synchronously i

572
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:03,440
had to mention real quick i didn't mean

573
00:21:06,789 --> 00:21:04,400
to interrupt

574
00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:06,799
oh that's awesome yeah i i

575
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:08,720
i kind of forgot that that you'd met and

576
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:10,080
hung out with my partner yeah yeah she's

577
00:21:13,590 --> 00:21:10,960
awesome

578
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:13,600
yeah she rules so she's you know so as

579
00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:14,880
you might know she's already kind of

580
00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:16,960
she's a mr ancient mysteries kind of

581
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:19,360
girl and um and

582
00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:20,799
this was maybe like a year and a half

583
00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:22,240
ago she was sitting around reading

584
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:24,880
lawrence gardner as you do or whatever

585
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:27,200
and so she's reading about like you know

586
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:30,400
the ark of the covenant or whatever and

587
00:21:34,870 --> 00:21:32,320
and all of a sudden she puts the

588
00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:34,880
the book down she's like jesus christ

589
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:36,080
and i was like what and she was like

590
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:41,990
yeah and we were joking and i was like

591
00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:44,640
god that's good every

592
00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:46,799
i'm gonna i'm gonna like someday we're

593
00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:49,120
gonna like i'm gonna open up a cookbook

594
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:50,720
you know what i mean and then i'm gonna

595
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:52,400
look in the background and there's gonna

596
00:21:58,149 --> 00:21:54,000
be like i'll put off like chopping

597
00:22:00,390 --> 00:21:58,159
vegetables right proctology 101 by i

598
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:00,400
heard about my local sports talk radio

599
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:04,950
he's got a pretty interesting take on

600
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:07,919
the yankees this season

601
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:09,039
so

602
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:16,080
or ultra terrestrials paper um recently

603
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:17,200
you know it's just

604
00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:19,440
about a week and a half ago and

605
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:22,480
you know this paper had been passed

606
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:25,200
around but it was kind of like

607
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:26,960
you know it was kind of like a michael

608
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:28,400
jordan rookie card or something like

609
00:22:32,789 --> 00:22:30,960
that very few people had it people only

610
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:32,799
talked about it or saw it briefly or

611
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:34,720
something like that and it was finally

612
00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:37,440
uh published in the journal of cosmology

613
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:39,440
recently a kind of revised version of

614
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:43,039
this paper um you know what do you make

615
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:46,159
of the ultra-terrestrial hypothesis have

616
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:48,480
you kind of thought about how it could

617
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:50,480
marry with the extratempestrial

618
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:52,000
hypothesis

619
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:53,360
and you know

620
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:55,840
as essentially what i'm getting to is

621
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:58,320
what do you think of the idea of a kind

622
00:23:08,070 --> 00:22:59,039
of

623
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:08,080
now or have an outpost

624
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:09,919
yeah i know that's that's a fantastic

625
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:12,640
question also very timely um i finally

626
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:14,240
got around to reading that about two

627
00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:17,360
days ago and it was really interesting

628
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:18,559
um

629
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:22,080
i have qualms with the idea that it's

630
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:24,480
some past population that had highly

631
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:26,000
advanced technology that just

632
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:28,320
disappeared or went underground or went

633
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:30,400
underwater went to antarctica

634
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:32,159
there's no archaeological evidence for

635
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:34,080
that whatsoever and and once you get

636
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:37,679
past the stage so so we have what we

637
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:40,320
call these different levels of political

638
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:42,320
organization it starts with bands

639
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:44,960
hunter-gatherers tribes chiefdoms and

640
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:46,000
states

641
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:47,440
and once you get to a state level

642
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:49,760
society which we typically characterize

643
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:52,000
as about 10 000 people or more

644
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:54,240
large public works projects large

645
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:57,600
monuments place of worship place of play

646
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:00,720
uh they leave things behind and you can

647
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:02,880
make the argument okay atlantis it's a

648
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:04,559
mythical thing it didn't even exist but

649
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:06,799
if it did disappeared

650
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:09,360
it doesn't matter that's one city-state

651
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:11,919
these city-states to survive had to be

652
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:13,520
linked to other city-states that also

653
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:15,919
had agriculture so you see those public

654
00:24:20,909 --> 00:24:17,840
works project in the archaeological

655
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:20,919
record so i i dismissed the whole

656
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:23,840
cryptozoology argument right out because

657
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:26,000
there's just no evidence to support it

658
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:27,760
however with that said and that's why i

659
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:29,600
appreciate your question because

660
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:32,480
i do see ways that this jives with this

661
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:34,159
extraterrestrial model where you could

662
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:35,039
have

663
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:37,200
future civilizations

664
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:39,200
that that are maybe like the the

665
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:41,440
majestic 12 or some secret society

666
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:43,919
they're like screw this this world sucks

667
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:46,720
let's just hijack a time machine go back

668
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:48,799
in time start our own secret society as

669
00:24:52,710 --> 00:24:51,120
far away from people as we can

670
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:52,720
and and they're not from there they

671
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:55,279
didn't in the the sense of the temporal

672
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:57,440
timeline of this planet they came from

673
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:59,360
the future into the past

674
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:01,120
we might perceive them as having come

675
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:03,200
from the past but they didn't have their

676
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:04,799
own separate technological evolution

677
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:06,240
that led them to that point it's just

678
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:08,960
not possible because technology has to

679
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:10,640
build upon what came before it's an

680
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,559
aspect of culture

681
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:14,640
it's cumulative as we say there's a

682
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:16,000
foundation you build upon that

683
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:18,080
foundation so i definitely see how it

684
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:20,080
could work in the context of a future

685
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,320
group that breaks off and goes to the

686
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:24,240
past because there's clean air there's

687
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:25,520
clean water

688
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:27,600
there's attractive indigenous people to

689
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:29,919
make babies with or whatever it is that

690
00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:32,480
attracts them to that but there's no way

691
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:34,400
that we reach that level of

692
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:37,360
sophistication or we would see it very

693
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:39,200
clearly in the archaeological record and

694
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:41,520
we don't there's no evidence for that

695
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:42,720
right on

696
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:44,159
yeah or i guess

697
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:46,159
you know coming from the future i mean

698
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:48,320
it it's one of my favorite things to

699
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:50,720
think about actually it as far as this

700
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,520
stuff uh is concerned is

701
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:55,440
coming from the future because we see

702
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:56,880
all sorts of

703
00:26:02,630 --> 00:25:59,760
uh things with contact cases whether

704
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:02,640
it's um you know the craft lands and is

705
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:05,679
taking um you know scoops of soil or

706
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:06,640
taking

707
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:12,480
samples from humans or whatever it is

708
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:15,200
it's it's almost like they're studying

709
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:17,600
something right they're coming back here

710
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,320
to study something maybe to see why the

711
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:22,320
future is how it is

712
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:24,400
or maybe if there's a group a secret

713
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:26,720
civilization from the future that

714
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:28,880
made a time machine out of necessity

715
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:31,840
because of an impending doom on earth

716
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:34,320
and and they wanted to get out of there

717
00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:36,000
you know or something like that to see

718
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:38,370
if they could change things i guess um

719
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:40,080
[Music]

720
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:42,400
you know is that some of the evidence

721
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:45,039
that that you see for the time travel

722
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:46,640
perspective

723
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:48,559
yeah absolutely when i wrote my first

724
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:50,799
book on it uh i have to acknowledge my

725
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:52,559
own biases here as a biological

726
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:54,400
anthropologist that that was the main

727
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:56,240
way i framed it

728
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:58,320
while still drawing in evidence from

729
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:01,120
physics astronomy astrobiology because i

730
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:02,640
do think we're going to need multiple

731
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:05,120
fields working on this no one field

732
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:07,039
can figure this out on their own and

733
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:09,039
it's great to see that happening in in

734
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:11,200
the real world where all these different

735
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:12,880
disciplines are talking to each other

736
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:14,480
about this thing that was so heavily

737
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:16,080
stigmatized

738
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:18,480
um but no in researching this this most

739
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:20,799
recent book i i found that there's a

740
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:23,520
heavy ecological focus too

741
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:26,000
i was looking more at the

742
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,600
what are they doing to us in these

743
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:29,279
abduction cases

744
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:30,799
and and that to me is the most

745
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:32,720
interesting as an anthropologist of

746
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,320
course but no they're studying

747
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:36,720
grasshoppers they're taking soil samples

748
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:38,320
water samples as you said they're

749
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:40,080
they're monitoring the ecology of this

750
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:42,640
planet which i think is further evidence

751
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,640
that they're stakeholders in this planet

752
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:46,559
why would they care why would they take

753
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:48,640
the time to send these groups across the

754
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:50,480
universe to pick up grasshoppers and do

755
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:52,240
jumping jacks outside their craft it

756
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:54,000
just doesn't make sense but if they're

757
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:56,399
from the future and they inherit this

758
00:28:01,830 --> 00:27:58,640
earth they need to know what the

759
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:01,840
ecological situation was like before we

760
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:03,919
potentially ruined it or may ruin it for

761
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:04,720
them

762
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:08,320
um so so that yeah i i think that helps

763
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:10,000
explain

764
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:12,000
uh why there's so much focus on the

765
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:13,679
earth it's always take care of the earth

766
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:14,799
you know

767
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:18,159
i quoted steve mara in in my new book he

768
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:19,600
he put this

769
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:21,120
very bluntly

770
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:23,279
and also eloquently at the same time

771
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:25,039
like they they don't care about us it's

772
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:26,320
always take care of the earth take care

773
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:29,440
of the earth you're rabid dogs but we

774
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:31,200
don't care what you do but take care of

775
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:33,360
this planet and i think that fits well

776
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:35,679
within this extra tempestual model of if

777
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:37,279
they're stakeholders in the future of

778
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:38,880
this planet

779
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:40,240
yeah it makes me think of the aerial

780
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:42,880
school yeah yeah you know

781
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:46,080
many many cases like that yeah

782
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:47,520
yeah and

783
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:48,720
it's really interesting and you

784
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:50,399
mentioning that and it's making me think

785
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:52,960
that i should i should go back and and

786
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:55,600
re-read uh timothy goode's curtis and

787
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:59,039
alien enterprise with your hypothesis in

788
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:00,720
mind i think that that would be really

789
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:03,360
great speaking of like cases of looking

790
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:05,120
at grasshoppers and

791
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:08,159
and focusing on jumping earth earth

792
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:10,480
earth and alien enterprise i think it

793
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:13,760
was the last book that that timothy good

794
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:17,520
um wrote before he retired i could be

795
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:19,200
mistaken there but it was

796
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:21,760
you can retire from ufo [\h__\h]

797
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:29,190
that like an aarp thing or is that just

798
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:31,200
a personal i think

799
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:32,880
i think in his case it was more of a

800
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:36,000
health thing but like um but but uh yeah

801
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:38,159
i mean i i don't imagine going that

802
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:40,799
route myself it's going to be you know

803
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:42,480
yeah i just can't imagine

804
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:44,240
right you can't quit having these

805
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:46,720
questions once you start right and and

806
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:48,399
like guys you know we're talking about

807
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:49,679
the beginning of the show the more

808
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:50,960
questions

809
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:53,120
you try to find answers for the more

810
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:55,440
questions there are and

811
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:57,120
yeah i don't know i bet probably till

812
00:30:02,389 --> 00:29:59,679
the day i die like you know my

813
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:02,399
more academic research focused on on

814
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:04,320
biomedicine and that relationship

815
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:05,760
between the brain and the face what

816
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:08,080
happens to the eyes in the context of

817
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:11,440
juvenile onset myopia and astigmatism

818
00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:14,320
i i don't even barely do that anymore

819
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,799
like i give all my data to other

820
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:18,720
researchers and other institutions i'm

821
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:20,399
like throw me on the paper or whatever

822
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:22,559
like i i want to know about this like

823
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:24,559
this has fascinated me

824
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:26,480
to an extent that

825
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:28,080
is just um

826
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:29,919
i don't know yeah i can't imagine ever

827
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:31,600
doing that obviously health things are

828
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:33,520
health things so

829
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,360
sometimes you just have to

830
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:37,440
do that i'm not even talking about him

831
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:40,320
specifically but just uh no if i'm if

832
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:42,720
i'm able to i don't know if i'll ever

833
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:46,399
stop it's just so fascinating and

834
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:48,240
i don't know it's one of few things that

835
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:50,480
that keeps me interested in in this

836
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:51,919
reality or

837
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:56,399
yeah there's some there's some really

838
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:58,159
interesting cases and this is kind of a

839
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:59,840
long-winded way to get into my next

840
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:01,120
question here but there's some

841
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:03,360
interesting cases in timothy

842
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:05,440
earth and alien enterprise where he's

843
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:07,039
talking about

844
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:09,840
cases where say some farm kids

845
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:11,039
um

846
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:16,080
beings in a craft coming down and taking

847
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:19,679
like soil samples or grass samples or or

848
00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:23,120
you know etc in the same spot

849
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:24,799
kind of like year after year or

850
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:26,480
something like that and there's often

851
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:27,840
this comment where it's like they didn't

852
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:30,399
look a day older right and it's it's

853
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:32,159
it's fascinating to think about that in

854
00:31:37,269 --> 00:31:34,480
the context of if you can just you know

855
00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:37,279
blip over the flux capacitor from like

856
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,679
1935 to 1936 and and grab a soil sample

857
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:43,440
you know five minutes later from a year

858
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:45,440
later or something like that yeah that's

859
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:48,080
a big theme in in my last book in fact

860
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:50,000
my first case study is two boys called

861
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:51,919
mike and leo dorshak and that's

862
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:53,679
incredibly old too that was from the

863
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:56,640
1930s correct the 1930s right but what's

864
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:59,279
cool is that uh unfortunately mike died

865
00:32:02,789 --> 00:32:01,200
in the korean war but leo

866
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,799
went on to have the same interaction

867
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:04,559
with these same visitors he became

868
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:05,919
friends with them

869
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:08,080
um until

870
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:10,480
i think it was the 1970s or 80s was the

871
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:12,399
last time you interacted with them not

872
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:14,720
far from i'm in bozeman montana they

873
00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:16,240
said the same thing they don't age and

874
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:17,919
you're exactly right like i talked about

875
00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:19,440
this at least two or three times in the

876
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:21,519
book where as researchers from the

877
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:22,640
future

878
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:25,600
you come back and in the context of yeah

879
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:28,480
picking up soil samples or water

880
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:30,399
that makes sense too but when

881
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:32,720
it's a lifelong interaction where if

882
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:36,559
it's a lifetime abductee or contactee

883
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:38,720
and and you're you're picked up you know

884
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:40,720
you don't see them age

885
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:42,720
but to them as a workday you know if we

886
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:43,919
look at it from their point of view

887
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:45,440
what's that like for them where they go

888
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:47,440
back pick you up at age eight

889
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:49,919
a couple hours later you know drop you

890
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:52,399
off in bed swing back to wherever you

891
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:53,760
are and that's i think why the tracking

892
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:55,600
devices are so important too is they

893
00:32:59,669 --> 00:32:57,760
want to find the same people so they can

894
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:59,679
pick them up at these multiple positions

895
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:01,360
throughout their life for them it could

896
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:03,360
take place over two or three days a

897
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:05,120
couple work days and they go off and do

898
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:06,240
another person they go off and do

899
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:07,760
another person but for that person it's

900
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:09,039
so impactful in their life because they

901
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:10,399
have all these questions

902
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:12,080
and one of those big questions is why

903
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:14,159
the hell don't they age

904
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:16,159
and that helps explain it you know if

905
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:17,760
they're doing it within a couple of days

906
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,960
of their time of course they're not

907
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:20,240
going to age and they remember

908
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:21,760
everything about you

909
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:23,360
from that point because for them it was

910
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:26,240
yesterday for you it was like 20 years

911
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:27,919
ago like wow how can they remember all

912
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:29,200
that

913
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:31,919
they were just there yesterday man

914
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:33,760
yeah that's amazing

915
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:35,519
it's a great it's a great thought

916
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:37,360
especially because you know there's

917
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:38,960
there are cases and of course in the

918
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:42,080
experiencer group i hear tons of cases

919
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:44,399
practically every day right and

920
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:47,200
and it's so often the case where

921
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:48,640
somebody will

922
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:51,360
you know be protesting say an abduction

923
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:53,440
or something like that right and you

924
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:54,559
know not to make light of these

925
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:56,320
situations or whatever i'm experiencing

926
00:34:02,070 --> 00:33:59,120
myself but you know there'll be there

927
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:02,080
will be sometimes that kind of pushback

928
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:04,880
from the beings where they're like

929
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:06,640
you know you said that same thing the

930
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,560
last time or you know what i mean like

931
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:10,560
there's like you said that the last

932
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:12,399
three times and i can imagine that being

933
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:13,119
like

934
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:14,800
i mean from their perspective from

935
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:16,480
another being's perspective it it must

936
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:21,200
be a pretty trippy series of yeah

937
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:22,879
it's not even just the physical form

938
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:24,800
change it's the same consciousness it's

939
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:26,960
the same human it's the same being and

940
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:28,960
i'm i'm not trying to belittle it either

941
00:34:31,829 --> 00:34:29,839
but

942
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:31,839
like having worked in guest services i

943
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:34,000
was on the race crew and in snowmass

944
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:36,320
colorado for a season and you hear the

945
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:38,240
same question every day over and over

946
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:40,399
you know for them

947
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:41,760
working in the same time period is

948
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:43,280
probably different and maybe they switch

949
00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:44,720
them around you know maybe they'll send

950
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:47,440
one group to like 10 000 bc just to give

951
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:49,359
them a break from like

952
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:51,520
all of the same questions that you get

953
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:53,919
as a customer service agent and that's

954
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:56,000
again one person asking me where my

955
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:58,000
smartphone is again i know yeah it would

956
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:00,640
be so thoughtful

957
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:03,359
but i'm serious though like and and if

958
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:05,440
you think about it these

959
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:07,520
these must be traumatic for them in some

960
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:08,960
extent too considering what they're

961
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:11,359
doing these are things that arguably

962
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:13,839
violate the morals and ethics and human

963
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:15,359
rights of our time

964
00:35:18,790 --> 00:35:17,119
and we have to consider that too

965
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:18,800
absolutely you know and it seems to

966
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:20,560
indicate that there's some

967
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:22,880
some higher purpose or some

968
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:25,520
uh just the the needs of the many

969
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:27,359
outweigh the needs of the few type thing

970
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:29,680
going on and a lot of experiencers seem

971
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:31,760
to articulate that as well i talk about

972
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:35,200
a really harsh case that john mack um

973
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:36,800
her name was jerry

974
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,040
i think it's the case study 12 in my

975
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:41,520
book but she she had a life

976
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:44,320
of some crazy [\h__\h] happened and you know

977
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:45,920
by the end she

978
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:47,119
she just

979
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:49,359
said basically that like i mean i feel

980
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:51,440
like i'm part of a bigger thing

981
00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:52,640
and i feel

982
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:55,760
almost appreciative or like chosen in a

983
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:58,000
way and i don't know as someone who's

984
00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:59,760
never had an experience i can only talk

985
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:01,119
about that

986
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:02,800
so much because i i can't really

987
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:05,119
empathize with it in a personal context

988
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:06,000
but

989
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:08,320
uh it does seem like you hear that and i

990
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:09,599
don't know i mean i guess i turn that

991
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:11,520
question on you as someone who does

992
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:14,480
interact do people feel like they come

993
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:16,480
to some sort of understanding or at

994
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:18,880
least acceptance

995
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:21,119
yeah you know i mean i was talking about

996
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:22,960
this the other day in

997
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:27,359
uh like a support meeting and um and uh

998
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:29,440
it's really interesting

999
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:31,119
there's

1000
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:33,520
the i think that it's a couple things

1001
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:34,720
overlaid

1002
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:37,200
and i think one of the things

1003
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:39,359
that really becomes

1004
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:40,720
part of

1005
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:43,440
not just the ontological shock but

1006
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:46,800
but can precipitate or elicit that shift

1007
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:47,839
into

1008
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:49,040
moving

1009
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:50,079
forward

1010
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:52,079
in their lives in terms of like trauma

1011
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:54,640
into transformation as as dr mac would

1012
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:56,640
have said you know i think one of the

1013
00:37:02,069 --> 00:36:58,960
aspects that's really key is

1014
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:02,079
is like telepathic communication or just

1015
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:04,240
that kind of interaction that kind of

1016
00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:05,359
communion

1017
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:08,079
as whitley would call it right that that

1018
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:09,599
that

1019
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:12,560
kind of entering into what some people

1020
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:15,599
refer to as like a consciousness field

1021
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:18,560
you know what i mean that that actually

1022
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:21,280
that their that becomes one of those

1023
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:23,680
kind of addictive qualities where it's

1024
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:25,440
like people want to keep coming back to

1025
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:27,599
that that's why whitley might have kept

1026
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:29,440
going back in the backyard looking for

1027
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:32,160
them again you know and that that

1028
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:33,119
that

1029
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:35,760
there's just something so beautiful and

1030
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:38,480
mysterious about that that

1031
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:40,000
and

1032
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:43,200
the way that people in a situation when

1033
00:37:46,870 --> 00:37:44,880
they're in that kind of situation they

1034
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:46,880
have a brief moment where they're not

1035
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:49,280
only recognizing that there's

1036
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:51,839
dialogue happening back and forth but

1037
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:55,040
you also have a slight window into how

1038
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:57,599
the other being is thinking about things

1039
00:38:03,190 --> 00:37:59,440
or looking at you

1040
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:03,200
and that really kind of opens up

1041
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:05,599
like a like a really really kind of

1042
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:08,800
amazing box i think in terms of

1043
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:11,599
in terms of looking at

1044
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:13,440
in terms of othering you know what i

1045
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:16,160
mean to take kind of like

1046
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:17,839
if they can look in the eyes the eyes

1047
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:19,200
are the window of the soul and that's

1048
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:20,880
one of these patterns that emerged over

1049
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:23,119
and over and researching this book is as

1050
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:26,240
those big pupils yeah you look at that's

1051
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:28,480
why i made the comparison with when you

1052
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:30,000
go to the eye doctor and they dilate

1053
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:31,520
your pupils

1054
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:33,760
i came home and would just look at you

1055
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:36,480
know my family members they'd be like

1056
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:38,240
because it does freak you out it's it's

1057
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:39,760
scary you've been with like someone you

1058
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:41,359
know and love that's raised you since

1059
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:43,440
you're a baby

1060
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:44,480
from you

1061
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:46,960
but but with with that and i i was going

1062
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:49,760
to ask you like the telepathy thing

1063
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:52,079
that's not just information it's not

1064
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:53,280
just pictures

1065
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:55,680
there's got to be emotions

1066
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:58,240
with that too and in many cases if if

1067
00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:59,760
you can connect a lot of people don't

1068
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:01,520
connect you know they'll they'll turn

1069
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:03,839
away it would seem and and hide from it

1070
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:05,520
because it's just so overwhelming and i

1071
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:07,359
imagine it's incredibly intense but the

1072
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:09,680
ones that do connect must get yeah some

1073
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:10,720
of that

1074
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:12,560
empathy or just

1075
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:15,040
that some of the soul of the entity that

1076
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:17,200
is with them in that space whose giant

1077
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:19,280
eyes they're looking into

1078
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:21,280
for sure and i think that that brings up

1079
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:23,920
the other part that that might kind of

1080
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:27,119
or another major component that kind of

1081
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:29,040
brings people forward into the trauma

1082
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:31,760
into transformation angle is just that

1083
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:34,480
is that that a lot of experiencers in

1084
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:36,880
situations like that it might be the

1085
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:39,040
first time that they look at themselves

1086
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:40,480
and recognize

1087
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:43,440
that they have a quote-unquote soul or

1088
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:45,280
they have something that some form of

1089
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:48,320
consciousness that exists

1090
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:49,200
um

1091
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:52,400
with and and adjacent to the body

1092
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:54,720
somehow or that it might you know and

1093
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:57,839
that and like for myself you know i

1094
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:59,119
think that there are

1095
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:01,280
and i think for a lot of people

1096
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:03,280
you know there's a temptation towards

1097
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:06,079
atheism or a temptation towards

1098
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:06,960
towards

1099
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:08,560
looking away from the spiritual at

1100
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:10,400
certain points of life and things like

1101
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:12,880
that and then at the same time within

1102
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:15,520
the experiencer group i you know it's

1103
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:17,920
not a particularly there's not one group

1104
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:19,599
of people in there there's a lot of

1105
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:21,680
different types of people in there and

1106
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:22,800
without breaking any kind of

1107
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:25,839
confidentiality you know it's like

1108
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:29,359
there's there is an abundance i i would

1109
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:32,079
say that most people if they've had

1110
00:40:36,829 --> 00:40:34,880
more than one experience

1111
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:36,839
anomalous experience and sometimes only

1112
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:39,920
one it really can kind of shake the snow

1113
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:41,920
globe to a point where there's some kind

1114
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:44,480
of recognition of of

1115
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:46,160
you know the consciousness field the

1116
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,000
idea of a soul and

1117
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:50,640
and that that and eve whether it's true

1118
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:52,720
or not that that can that that can kind

1119
00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:54,880
of shift the balance

1120
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:57,119
let me ask you this let me ask you this

1121
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:58,560
uh mr

1122
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:00,240
mike i was almost going to call you

1123
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:02,400
doctor

1124
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:04,400
don't do it but uh

1125
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:06,960
you know from your studies in this and

1126
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:08,640
you know looking at the time travel

1127
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:10,400
aspect of things so

1128
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:11,119
i

1129
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:23,520
travel where

1130
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:26,079
consciousness is key

1131
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:27,680
absolutely i mean i think in all the

1132
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:30,240
ways we've just been discussing

1133
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:32,960
as as one aspect of it but

1134
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:34,960
um also

1135
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:37,200
in the sense that

1136
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:39,119
for instance like would this be possible

1137
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:41,680
for the time travelers if you know

1138
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:43,920
without consciousness is there a

1139
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:46,079
reliance on this yeah

1140
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:48,720
no i don't think i mean i think it's key

1141
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:50,960
i think consciousness is fundamental in

1142
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:52,319
the universe

1143
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,040
regardless but i do think there's a nuts

1144
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:57,359
and bolts component to this we see the

1145
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:00,240
craft we see how they manipulate sp

1146
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:03,280
space-time and and they need that to

1147
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:04,880
physically enter

1148
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:07,520
our region of space time at different

1149
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:09,599
points throughout their own past so

1150
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:12,160
there is a physical component to it

1151
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:12,960
but

1152
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:17,040
i i often wonder in to cite futurama

1153
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:19,440
here as i occasionally do

1154
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:21,520
um because i think

1155
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:23,839
these writers were probably

1156
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:26,800
more woke than anybody else alive today

1157
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:28,240
in many ways because they've they've

1158
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:29,839
played out so many things that come up

1159
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:32,160
in these conversations already

1160
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:36,480
um where we are evolving to some sort of

1161
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:38,160
knowledge or

1162
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:40,640
existence as this energetic

1163
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:42,160
consciousness

1164
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:44,000
and and all these people have near-death

1165
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:48,079
experiences who uh enter that realm uh

1166
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:49,599
those of us who

1167
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:51,359
you know can get close with certain

1168
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:55,280
substances or meditation or

1169
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:57,359
fasting or whatever it is

1170
00:43:02,069 --> 00:42:59,839
without having to die or almost die

1171
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:02,079
uh it's my preferred way of doing it

1172
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:04,480
thus far

1173
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:06,480
it sort of gives you a glimpse of that

1174
00:43:13,870 --> 00:43:10,319
which i think is somehow related to this

1175
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:13,880
but i do think the ufo is the physical

1176
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:16,240
transportation device it's the thing

1177
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:18,319
that allows and just the saucer shaped

1178
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:20,240
ones i don't think the triangular ones

1179
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:21,599
time travel at all i think they were

1180
00:43:26,309 --> 00:43:23,599
built in our time for a different

1181
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:26,319
purpose but i i do think that the the

1182
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:28,160
saucer shaped craft are the time

1183
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,599
machines themselves so there's this nuts

1184
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:31,200
and bolts component i think

1185
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:33,200
consciousness is at the root of all of

1186
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:36,160
it and allows people to sort of

1187
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:38,000
communicate in ways where there doesn't

1188
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:39,760
have to be a physical form you hear that

1189
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,000
all the time where people connect

1190
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,160
in this way they get information

1191
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:46,720
and not just precognition from their own

1192
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:48,800
future self but from something that

1193
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:51,599
exists even further into the future than

1194
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:53,599
where their physical body and brain will

1195
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:54,560
exist

1196
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:55,520
and and you could argue their

1197
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:57,200
consciousness could be at that point

1198
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:58,480
saying things back

1199
00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:00,480
um so so i think it's both and then

1200
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:02,720
there's also the mythical aspects of if

1201
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:05,040
these beings have been doing this coming

1202
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:06,960
back from our future into the past for

1203
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:09,040
40 50 000 years however far back they

1204
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:10,560
can go

1205
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:14,480
it's gonna elicit all kinds of weird um

1206
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:16,480
you know myths that grow up around it

1207
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:18,960
too deities even religions that grow out

1208
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,240
of that so

1209
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:22,400
yeah i i obviously am not trying to say

1210
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:24,720
ufo phenomenon explains

1211
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:27,680
you know these three things per se or

1212
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:29,440
everything i'm absolutely not saying

1213
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:32,079
that but i do think if we open our minds

1214
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:34,640
to this phenomenon it does help fill in

1215
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:36,960
some gaps here and there with some

1216
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:38,560
things that have characterized the human

1217
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:40,000
past

1218
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:42,400
well beautiful

1219
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:44,160
what what about the cigar shape craft

1220
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:46,480
what do you think of those

1221
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:48,480
i think they're cigars you know i think

1222
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:51,440
snoop dogg rolled a big-ass blunt and

1223
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,150
i don't know i i do think a lot of them

1224
00:45:01,829 --> 00:45:00,720
are a perspective thing where they just

1225
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:01,839
they don't

1226
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:06,160
it's described in different ways

1227
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:08,400
but the tic tac is clearly a different

1228
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:10,480
shape you know and actually a buddy of

1229
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:12,880
mine said something the other day it was

1230
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:14,960
on thursday we were at this this music

1231
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:16,319
festival

1232
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:17,760
and he was like

1233
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:19,680
so these agencies don't talk to each

1234
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:21,119
other right the navy doesn't talk to the

1235
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:23,760
air force they don't talk to whoever

1236
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:25,359
like what if they're ours and they're

1237
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:27,440
just kind of experimenting but with

1238
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:28,880
their own

1239
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:30,720
technology in a different branch and i'm

1240
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:32,079
like they're not rsds they get out here

1241
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:33,920
they're not ours you know like what how

1242
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:36,079
do you explain the foo fighters and

1243
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:37,839
stuff and he's like nah dude

1244
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:38,960
shut up

1245
00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:43,520
it was like what if you know the air

1246
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:45,920
force has this what better way to test

1247
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:47,760
it knowing they're not going to crash in

1248
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:50,720
to any navy ship any navy fighter pilots

1249
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:52,000
they're going to do circles around they

1250
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,839
want to see their reaction to it like

1251
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:55,200
they want to test it in this other

1252
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:56,640
branch of the government maybe that's

1253
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:58,480
why we haven't heard from the air force

1254
00:46:01,910 --> 00:46:00,240
maybe that's why these different

1255
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:01,920
branches aren't talking to each other as

1256
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:04,560
they're using each other as kind of like

1257
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:05,680
a

1258
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:19,119
very interesting point

1259
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:21,359
i'm sure others have said stuff like

1260
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:22,640
that since

1261
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:24,160
you know um

1262
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:27,680
there was an air force in ciaa for right

1263
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,240
like because you could say this stuff is

1264
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:32,240
you're i mean every time people say

1265
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:33,359
something about

1266
00:46:37,270 --> 00:46:35,599
ufos today whether it's the navy videos

1267
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:37,280
tic tac or whatever well yeah you can't

1268
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:38,400
explain

1269
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:43,520
and that's what we eventually got to

1270
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:44,880
that point where he's like don't just

1271
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:46,319
shut the [\h__\h] up that's not what i'm

1272
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:47,280
saying

1273
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:49,520
and and once i you know listened to him

1274
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:52,000
i was like yeah that that makes sense it

1275
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:53,920
it's it's not that doesn't mean that

1276
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:55,359
yeah we can't get to a point

1277
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:57,040
technologically where we can start

1278
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,480
producing some of those effects yeah

1279
00:47:01,990 --> 00:47:00,720
exactly he's saying we're already there

1280
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:02,000
it doesn't account for the ufo

1281
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:03,680
phenomenon as a whole

1282
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:06,240
it's just this tic tac and that's why i

1283
00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:08,079
specifically mentioned this tic-tac as

1284
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:09,760
far as you know the shapes the cigars

1285
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:11,920
and whatnot i think that tic tac is

1286
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:14,720
probably the air force's technology and

1287
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:16,880
they tested it on the navy

1288
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:18,319
he convinced me that's what i'm saying

1289
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:20,400
his name is matt brazile and i should

1290
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:22,960
acknowledge him in this comment because

1291
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:25,040
yeah it doesn't look like the other ones

1292
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:27,280
it has the same capabilities

1293
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:29,520
it seemingly has the same manipulation

1294
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:31,520
of time space because the g-forces

1295
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:33,839
didn't seem to affect it in the same way

1296
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:35,599
so i think they figured out anti-gravity

1297
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:37,760
propulsion i think we i'm talking about

1298
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:39,680
we know have figured out how to

1299
00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:41,760
manipulate the space-time metric within

1300
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:43,040
the the

1301
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:45,520
outer realm of this craft

1302
00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:46,400
and

1303
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:48,559
we have that but it's primitive like

1304
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:50,319
what's with the little tubes coming down

1305
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:51,839
what's with the weird tic tac shake

1306
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:53,760
nothing else looks like that so i think

1307
00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:55,200
it's separate from

1308
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:57,200
the rest of these saucer shaped craft

1309
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:58,160
which

1310
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:01,440
are probably future human time machines

1311
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:03,359
could be i mean that when i hear

1312
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:05,520
egg-shaped and cigar-shaped that's

1313
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:07,839
pretty close to tic-tac

1314
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:09,760
you know although the cigar shape

1315
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:11,200
whatever it's mentioned has a row of

1316
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:12,559
windows

1317
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:14,800
um and the egg shape always has you know

1318
00:48:19,589 --> 00:48:17,680
like landing feet and and and all that

1319
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:19,599
so yeah maybe they forget a little bit

1320
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:21,520
different put up the landing gear before

1321
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:23,520
they did that and that's what the little

1322
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:25,599
two things were i don't know that's kind

1323
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:27,920
of another thing though i mean

1324
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:28,960
you know

1325
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:30,720
we have

1326
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:33,119
um time traveling beings coming back in

1327
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:35,440
in saucers that's the time machine but

1328
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:37,520
when did they up their technology when

1329
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:39,280
does their technology start to look

1330
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:41,200
different because are they progressing

1331
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:43,200
or are they just yeah i love that

1332
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:45,119
question i think about that all the time

1333
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:47,280
and it's something

1334
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:49,680
i feel i haven't talked about but i

1335
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:52,960
should why do we see that same disc

1336
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:55,599
shaped craft

1337
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:57,760
if they're able to do it with better

1338
00:49:01,270 --> 00:49:00,240
technology in the future because i it

1339
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:01,280
seems like

1340
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:03,520
and this this became apparent to me with

1341
00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:05,520
uh this most recent book

1342
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:08,240
is with utter wartena with uh the

1343
00:49:11,589 --> 00:49:10,160
dwarshack boys who saw these things in

1344
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:11,599
1930s

1345
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:14,400
disc shaped craft metallic silvercraft

1346
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:16,720
um but then it's also the same machine

1347
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:19,520
described in cases of of betty and

1348
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:20,480
barney hill where it's the

1349
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:22,000
quintessential grey alien who are

1350
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:26,000
seemingly 30 40 000 years in the future

1351
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:28,000
of these other very human looking

1352
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:30,160
individuals that due to ortain and the

1353
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:33,599
door shack boys so why the same machine

1354
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:34,640
and what i

1355
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:37,520
what i've come to think i don't have an

1356
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:39,440
answer there's no way i possibly could

1357
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:41,200
from this point in time

1358
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:43,200
but what i think is that

1359
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:45,520
it's like the bicycle maybe

1360
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:46,319
or

1361
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:48,400
uh cars you know we we get these

1362
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:50,160
different models of them but they

1363
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:51,839
basically do the same thing because

1364
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:53,599
they're well suited for it's like how we

1365
00:49:57,750 --> 00:49:54,480
can't

1366
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:57,760
a better bicycle

1367
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:59,760
the tour de france they spend millions

1368
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:00,960
of dollars trying to make a better

1369
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:02,720
bicycle they're all basically the same

1370
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:04,240
because they figured out the best way to

1371
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:06,480
do it so i wonder if maybe we reach a

1372
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:08,640
point or technological complexity where

1373
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:10,720
that's just the best way to do it and

1374
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:14,160
that exists for a long time or

1375
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:16,800
that because we're starting to get to a

1376
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:17,920
point

1377
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:19,119
where

1378
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:20,000
we

1379
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:22,720
are beginning to recognize them maybe

1380
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:26,480
as human in that technology it's less uh

1381
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:29,280
jarring for us to see the same thing

1382
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:31,280
sure so so i kind of imagine sometimes

1383
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:33,280
this is the thought experiment and i

1384
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:34,800
really only started thinking about this

1385
00:50:39,030 --> 00:50:36,160
a few days ago

1386
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:39,040
um what if you have these beans and once

1387
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:40,960
we do this once we are time traveling

1388
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:42,559
there's nothing that keeps us from

1389
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:43,920
interacting with each other in the past

1390
00:50:48,069 --> 00:50:46,240
or the future and that might explain why

1391
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:48,079
you have all of these like really tall

1392
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:50,000
grays with the big eyes and like the

1393
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:52,240
really deep consciousness the short

1394
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:54,000
grays the hybrids like all of these

1395
00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:55,599
different forms people in modern

1396
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:58,000
military uniforms all working together

1397
00:51:02,069 --> 00:51:00,160
on the same ship as they're all just

1398
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:02,079
collaborating from a specific time

1399
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:03,200
period

1400
00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:05,599
and launching from there like going back

1401
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:07,599
from that time because that's where

1402
00:51:13,349 --> 00:51:09,599
their like research station is not in

1403
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:15,589
that's great

1404
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:17,520
yeah i think um

1405
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:19,200
that's beautiful i think

1406
00:51:23,349 --> 00:51:21,680
a a in talking about and speculating

1407
00:51:26,549 --> 00:51:23,359
about like craft shapes and this is

1408
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:28,950
i like i like to differentiate between

1409
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:31,119
of course of course yeah but it's fun

1410
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:32,559
it's fun to think about it does kind of

1411
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:34,240
make sense doesn't it

1412
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:36,160
yeah sure and you don't have to say yes

1413
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:37,760
just because i'm the guest on your show

1414
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:40,079
no no it does this thing but

1415
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:42,720
but like very interesting well one of

1416
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:45,599
the things that i i really enjoy is is

1417
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:48,240
you're within the speculation you being

1418
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:50,160
like man the triangles are probably ours

1419
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:52,640
and i generally think the same thing

1420
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:56,000
um and part of it is because both of us

1421
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:58,640
are from ohio i think no i didn't know

1422
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:00,480
that that never came up at race

1423
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:03,200
university yeah yeah but like both of us

1424
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:05,200
are from ohio and i think that there's

1425
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:07,200
you know one of the kind of

1426
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:11,359
relatively open secrets about um

1427
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:13,599
folks that live in certain areas of ohio

1428
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:15,359
is that you know

1429
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:17,760
it's not uncommon to see trial triangle

1430
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:20,800
craft out in the regions of dayton ohio

1431
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:22,800
and columbus ohio like

1432
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:25,359
like it's pretty common the closer you

1433
00:52:29,589 --> 00:52:27,440
get to like wright patterson and stuff

1434
00:52:30,829 --> 00:52:29,599
like that it really i feel like it

1435
00:52:35,829 --> 00:52:30,839
greatly

1436
00:52:38,069 --> 00:52:35,839
you're going to see an anomalous

1437
00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:38,079
triangle craft at some point right

1438
00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:39,680
definitely so

1439
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:42,400
yeah so anyway i just i i i was

1440
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:43,760
listening to you being like yeah

1441
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:45,280
triangles are ours and i was like that's

1442
00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:49,359
a guy from ohio i know it um

1443
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:50,960
for anybody that goes back and checks

1444
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:52,079
the tape

1445
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:54,800
i was talking about the tic tacs right

1446
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:57,040
right also think that triangles are ours

1447
00:53:01,990 --> 00:53:00,079
well partly i think

1448
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:02,000
again this is speculation but it's based

1449
00:53:05,670 --> 00:53:03,839
on patterns it's based on patterns that

1450
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:05,680
emerge from studying these things i

1451
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:07,680
think the triangles

1452
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:10,800
are theirs but they built them here

1453
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:12,640
i don't think they can time travel and

1454
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:14,000
that's that's i think what you're

1455
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:15,119
mentioning is i said i don't think the

1456
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:17,599
time the triangles can time travel

1457
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:19,680
i think those were built here for a

1458
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:21,599
specific purpose they talk about a lot

1459
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:23,520
in the book related to reproduction

1460
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:25,440
gaming extraction

1461
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:26,960
and other things

1462
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:29,440
um but you can have that with time

1463
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:31,760
travel if you establish a base

1464
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:34,160
in time and space

1465
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:35,839
yeah then that makes it easier to do

1466
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:37,760
stuff they don't have to come from the

1467
00:53:40,309 --> 00:53:38,960
future every time they want to pick

1468
00:53:41,829 --> 00:53:40,319
somebody up they just travel from the

1469
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:41,839
dark side of the moon or from under the

1470
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:44,160
ocean or antarctica or whatever

1471
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:47,119
you have that base in space and time

1472
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:49,040
where you can launch these operations

1473
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:50,640
save yourself a ton of money save

1474
00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:52,319
yourself all of these potential

1475
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:54,319
accidents like roswell where you screw

1476
00:53:58,390 --> 00:53:56,480
something up and crash and

1477
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:58,400
yeah they learn their lesson they learn

1478
00:54:01,430 --> 00:54:00,240
their lesson yeah they're like wait

1479
00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:01,440
let's just let's back up let's think

1480
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:02,640
about this

1481
00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:04,559
let's establish a base somewhere where

1482
00:54:08,549 --> 00:54:06,559
people can't see us

1483
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:08,559
and launch from there and that's where i

1484
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:10,480
think the triangles are

1485
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:12,559
and

1486
00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:19,190
i have um i i'd feel terrible if we

1487
00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:21,200
didn't get to at least one

1488
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:23,760
uh one of these viewer questions we have

1489
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:26,880
a lot actually sitting here but um

1490
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:30,400
i'm i see one from kelly from ufo rabbit

1491
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:32,720
hole podcast she says

1492
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:34,400
oh that was a good question

1493
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:35,760
wondering about

1494
00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:38,000
uh the thoughts and comments from ross

1495
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:39,839
coulthart and others that there are

1496
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:42,000
elements within the intel community that

1497
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:44,400
believe or say that they believe that

1498
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:46,559
there is an imminent cataclysm that

1499
00:54:52,150 --> 00:54:50,160
future humans are trying to prevent um

1500
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:52,160
you know what's your take on on that and

1501
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:54,400
what's your take on on folks like ross

1502
00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:57,119
getting into the future humans debate

1503
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:59,359
yeah i think that's awesome um

1504
00:55:02,150 --> 00:55:00,079
i

1505
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:02,160
have mad respect for

1506
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:05,280
his work and also frank melbourne who's

1507
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:07,119
been saying the same thing for a while

1508
00:55:09,990 --> 00:55:07,839
too

1509
00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:10,000
who's been talking to

1510
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:12,880
uh people about the same thing

1511
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:14,480
we have some debate about whether it's

1512
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:16,400
the same people or it's different people

1513
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:18,160
and we can't reveal our sources we can't

1514
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:19,440
just like

1515
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:21,920
talk about it unfortunately

1516
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:23,440
um but no i think it's an important

1517
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:25,040
thing to

1518
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:27,440
discuss and i felt that it was so

1519
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:29,920
important that i discussed it in my last

1520
00:55:34,789 --> 00:55:32,240
book the extra tempestuo model

1521
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:34,799
and cited a number of interviews with

1522
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:36,400
ross and frank

1523
00:55:41,589 --> 00:55:38,720
uh and others because

1524
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:41,599
it was it was a hot topic you know

1525
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:45,359
a year ago or so nine months maybe

1526
00:55:48,549 --> 00:55:47,040
and i think it's important what it comes

1527
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:48,559
down to and i i've talked to some of

1528
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:49,920
these people too

1529
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:53,359
uh who either are these intelligence

1530
00:55:58,789 --> 00:55:56,960
community people or directly

1531
00:56:02,150 --> 00:55:58,799
talking to them

1532
00:56:04,630 --> 00:56:02,160
and so i i see the same arguments made

1533
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:04,640
uh it's interesting i

1534
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:07,680
focused on this from the context of the

1535
00:56:12,309 --> 00:56:09,520
block universe

1536
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,319
and this what was being argued is more

1537
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:14,400
of a multiverse

1538
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:16,079
argument where you have these different

1539
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:18,400
timelines warring timelines for those

1540
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:20,240
that that haven't watched this i'll give

1541
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:21,920
you a quick rundown

1542
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:24,319
uh the grays are the result of some sort

1543
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:26,559
of cataclysm that occurs without that

1544
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:28,640
cataclysm they don't exist

1545
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:31,440
but there's another timeline where you

1546
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:34,079
have future humans both time travelers

1547
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:36,240
uh where there was no cataclysm and they

1548
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:37,280
don't want it to happen they're trying

1549
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:39,839
to stop it so the greys who need that to

1550
00:56:43,829 --> 00:56:42,000
happen are trying to stop the other

1551
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:43,839
humans from stopping it because they

1552
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:46,640
needed to happen if that made any sense

1553
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:48,000
for sure um

1554
00:56:52,630 --> 00:56:51,119
so so again i you know i don't uh

1555
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:52,640
dismiss it i think it's important to

1556
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:54,319
consider that's why i put it in the last

1557
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:56,480
book and not just that but

1558
00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:58,559
also in the context of this nuclear

1559
00:57:02,230 --> 00:57:00,079
situation

1560
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:02,240
clearly they're focused on uh our

1561
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:04,000
nuclear weapons they shut down the amino

1562
00:57:08,549 --> 00:57:05,440
air force base they shut down the

1563
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:08,559
malmstrom air force base here in montana

1564
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:10,240
or at least the nukes

1565
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:12,720
and and you gotta wonder and and this

1566
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:15,839
was the debate i had with myself i guess

1567
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:18,160
and and in the context of this in the

1568
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:19,359
book

1569
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:22,079
is was it to prevent something

1570
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:24,160
that they know is going to happen

1571
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:26,160
and that would make it a multiverse mini

1572
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:27,599
world's interpretation of quantum

1573
00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:30,880
mechanics essentially or are they trying

1574
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:33,119
to just make sure they have control in

1575
00:57:37,829 --> 00:57:35,119
case we do something that they would

1576
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:37,839
need to shut down before it happens in

1577
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:41,280
the context of the block universe and

1578
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:43,280
either scenario there's tons of

1579
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:45,200
ramifications there's tons of different

1580
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:48,160
ways that goes and so i tried and it was

1581
00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:49,920
kind of a failing of my first book that

1582
00:57:53,589 --> 00:57:51,119
i didn't

1583
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:53,599
talk about the multiverse at all

1584
00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:56,240
but the same time

1585
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:58,559
uh the vast majority

1586
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:01,440
of physicists and philosophers and those

1587
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:04,000
who study time adhere to the block

1588
00:58:08,309 --> 00:58:05,680
universe model

1589
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:08,319
so who am i to say yeah we should inject

1590
00:58:11,670 --> 00:58:09,599
all these other ideas there's no

1591
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:11,680
evidence for the multiverse there's no

1592
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:13,520
evidence for higher dimensions maybe

1593
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:14,640
there will be in the future but i'm

1594
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:17,040
writing from right now so the best i can

1595
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:19,680
do is write from whatever the consensus

1596
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:23,839
is among researchers in the know now

1597
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:26,000
but these questions are important and

1598
00:58:29,670 --> 00:58:27,680
they're especially important if this

1599
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:29,680
information is coming from high level

1600
00:58:34,390 --> 00:58:31,839
intelligence officers where they're

1601
00:58:36,309 --> 00:58:34,400
saying this is the case so

1602
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:36,319
i i definitely discussed it it's it's

1603
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:38,640
hard to really go beyond that

1604
00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:40,960
right now um especially with limited

1605
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:43,440
time but if you're interested

1606
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:45,680
to know more of that i do tackle that

1607
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:48,720
issue twice in in this most recent book

1608
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:51,359
awesome thank you so much sean

1609
00:58:56,549 --> 00:58:54,400
uh yeah i was gonna say we're at 58

1610
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:56,559
minutes here jay did do you have another

1611
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:58,799
viewer question that uh you want to try

1612
00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:00,720
asking before we get out of here

1613
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:02,960
oh sure here uh

1614
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:05,280
just do a quick drum roll while i while

1615
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:07,520
i look through here um

1616
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:08,799
yeah i'm glad you did i thought i had

1617
00:59:14,549 --> 00:59:11,280
rhythm okay um all right here's one

1618
00:59:17,589 --> 00:59:14,559
here's one from drew and drew asks

1619
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:17,599
have you had any interactions with dr

1620
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:20,799
gary nolan and if not would you be open

1621
00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:27,430
i'm not open to it no not open no and

1622
00:59:31,990 --> 00:59:30,160
obviously i'll talk to anybody about

1623
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:32,000
anything and that's how we started this

1624
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:34,079
conversation is

1625
00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:35,520
we need people from different

1626
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:38,319
disciplines who are all approaching it

1627
00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:40,400
and that's happening you know i i

1628
00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:42,720
haven't met gary nolan yet i haven't met

1629
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:45,040
avi lope yet i haven't met a lot of

1630
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:46,640
people who

1631
00:59:50,309 --> 00:59:48,240
um

1632
00:59:52,789 --> 00:59:50,319
yeah i'd like to it just

1633
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:52,799
that with these things you know

1634
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:56,400
it takes it takes people like

1635
01:00:01,349 --> 00:59:59,119
like jeff [\h__\h] i guess to be honest

1636
01:00:02,950 --> 01:00:01,359
just like bring everybody together and

1637
01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:02,960
he does that i was actually at a

1638
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:05,680
conference in eslan california just a

1639
01:00:10,549 --> 01:00:08,000
few weeks ago where he brought together

1640
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:10,559
all these people he he had a ufo focused

1641
01:00:15,510 --> 01:00:13,520
one you know and and

1642
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:15,520
how are we all just gonna be in the same

1643
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:17,200
place at the same time to sit down and

1644
01:00:20,710 --> 01:00:18,640
talk about this

1645
01:00:23,910 --> 01:00:20,720
i don't think any of us really

1646
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:23,920
uh reach out per se uh hussein aliyah

1647
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:26,400
grama is a great networker he brings

1648
01:00:30,549 --> 01:00:28,400
people together and i think he's

1649
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:30,559
a beautiful human in so many respects

1650
01:00:36,150 --> 01:00:33,359
and especially in that context but

1651
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:36,160
no i don't i don't not want to talk to

1652
01:00:40,710 --> 01:00:38,640
anybody it's just when paths cross they

1653
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:40,720
cross and when they don't

1654
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:42,880
you know they don't i'm sure we're all

1655
01:00:46,470 --> 01:00:44,720
aware of each other in in different

1656
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:46,480
capacities but

1657
01:00:49,829 --> 01:00:47,520
um

1658
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:49,839
i don't know i've also kind of

1659
01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:51,359
just uh

1660
01:00:58,630 --> 01:00:54,480
i i'm not a person that calls people as

1661
01:01:00,069 --> 01:00:58,640
i actually did i contacted um

1662
01:01:01,510 --> 01:01:00,079
david marlar

1663
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:01,520
because i was really

1664
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:04,079
interested in his triangle work

1665
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:05,200
but yeah

1666
01:01:08,789 --> 01:01:07,280
oh um

1667
01:01:10,870 --> 01:01:08,799
uh

1668
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:10,880
alexander wendt

1669
01:01:14,870 --> 01:01:12,319
oh so he's a

1670
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:14,880
state university recently got in the ufo

1671
01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:17,040
thing has some really great ideas on

1672
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:18,559
many things as political scientists i

1673
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:19,920
reached out to him

1674
01:01:23,109 --> 01:01:21,119
probably because of the ohio state

1675
01:01:25,990 --> 01:01:23,119
connection but otherwise i don't just

1676
01:01:28,390 --> 01:01:26,000
you know sit down like hey want to chat

1677
01:01:30,150 --> 01:01:28,400
we don't really do that academia but

1678
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:30,160
when our paths cross we have a lot to

1679
01:01:35,109 --> 01:01:31,920
talk about and yeah i know i look

1680
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:35,119
forward to those interactions

1681
01:01:38,789 --> 01:01:36,400
um beautiful

1682
01:01:40,710 --> 01:01:38,799
well along those lines uh in last week

1683
01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:40,720
um what was your favorite

1684
01:01:45,829 --> 01:01:44,000
that you can mention anyway what

1685
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:45,839
you've i think you've been to a couple

1686
01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:49,440
of the sln uh events at this point is

1687
01:01:54,789 --> 01:01:52,079
that right and what's that one just that

1688
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:54,799
one okay well what yeah hussein

1689
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:56,880
only connected me to these folks

1690
01:02:00,549 --> 01:01:58,799
recently um

1691
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:00,559
i kind of consider

1692
01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:03,520
opening the archives of the impossible

1693
01:02:07,510 --> 01:02:05,440
like a mega eslint event because it was

1694
01:02:09,430 --> 01:02:07,520
so much bigger and it was in hot ass

1695
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:09,440
houston where it was like 90 degrees in

1696
01:02:15,029 --> 01:02:12,480
march but as far as

1697
01:02:17,349 --> 01:02:15,039
central oh my god yeah i i was from

1698
01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:17,359
montana i was not ready for that

1699
01:02:22,710 --> 01:02:19,920
um and then ironically i got stuck in

1700
01:02:23,750 --> 01:02:22,720
denver in a blizzard with only houston

1701
01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:23,760
clothes

1702
01:02:27,829 --> 01:02:25,200
learned my lesson there

1703
01:02:30,549 --> 01:02:27,839
um but i i feel like that was

1704
01:02:31,990 --> 01:02:30,559
like what i saw at aselin with a small

1705
01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:32,000
group of people

1706
01:02:35,990 --> 01:02:34,559
that the equivalent and i you know

1707
01:02:38,309 --> 01:02:36,000
anyway what are you saying i didn't mean

1708
01:02:40,630 --> 01:02:38,319
that oh i was just no no not at all i

1709
01:02:41,589 --> 01:02:40,640
was i was just wondering you know

1710
01:02:47,829 --> 01:02:41,599
was

1711
01:02:50,150 --> 01:02:47,839
moment for a vessel for you i mean i've

1712
01:02:51,990 --> 01:02:50,160
heard you speak about um

1713
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:52,000
kind of hanging out with hussein a bit

1714
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:53,760
and that being like a good positive

1715
01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:55,440
connection was there anything else that

1716
01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:56,960
you heard there because i've heard other

1717
01:03:00,230 --> 01:02:58,559
people that are like oh yeah i went to

1718
01:03:01,589 --> 01:03:00,240
eslin and you wouldn't believe the

1719
01:03:03,910 --> 01:03:01,599
mind-boggling

1720
01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:03,920
s that i heard there you know

1721
01:03:08,549 --> 01:03:06,400
yeah they're not blowing smoke it's

1722
01:03:11,670 --> 01:03:08,559
right like michael murphy the founder of

1723
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:11,680
vessel and has created a space that is

1724
01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:17,510
it it makes you open your mind it's not

1725
01:03:23,510 --> 01:03:20,400
even just the beauty of it but the way

1726
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:23,520
everything is and and and jeff

1727
01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:25,920
you know obviously jeff [\h__\h] is

1728
01:03:31,109 --> 01:03:28,240
is so great at doing that and i i have

1729
01:03:34,789 --> 01:03:31,119
to give him so much credit like when it

1730
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:34,799
was 17 people who were there to

1731
01:03:38,870 --> 01:03:36,640
discuss the future

1732
01:03:40,150 --> 01:03:38,880
the the superhuman like in kind of a

1733
01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:40,160
nichian

1734
01:03:44,549 --> 01:03:42,720
concept of like

1735
01:03:47,190 --> 01:03:44,559
where are we going what what is the

1736
01:03:49,349 --> 01:03:47,200
future of humanity but beyond that like

1737
01:03:50,549 --> 01:03:49,359
consciousness and and all of these

1738
01:03:52,309 --> 01:03:50,559
different things

1739
01:03:54,309 --> 01:03:52,319
and i was reading all of the work i had

1740
01:03:56,390 --> 01:03:54,319
about a week and a half to study what

1741
01:03:58,710 --> 01:03:56,400
everybody was doing and i was like how

1742
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:58,720
is this all related and i get there and

1743
01:04:01,029 --> 01:04:00,000
i'm still like how is all of this

1744
01:04:03,430 --> 01:04:01,039
related

1745
01:04:05,670 --> 01:04:03,440
instantly it became apparent and you got

1746
01:04:07,270 --> 01:04:05,680
the genius of jeff is that he saw that

1747
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:07,280
ahead of time and it was the most

1748
01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:09,280
organic conversation where we all learn

1749
01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:10,559
from each other and if we're all just

1750
01:04:13,990 --> 01:04:12,880
there for one thing you wouldn't have

1751
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:14,000
that

1752
01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:15,599
it was because he brought people like

1753
01:04:20,230 --> 01:04:18,000
historians philosophers materialists

1754
01:04:22,870 --> 01:04:20,240
like myself a recovering materialist as

1755
01:04:25,270 --> 01:04:22,880
i call myself now after these events

1756
01:04:26,950 --> 01:04:25,280
um who who are discussing things from

1757
01:04:29,430 --> 01:04:26,960
all these different points of view but

1758
01:04:32,069 --> 01:04:29,440
having the same conversation that just

1759
01:04:34,470 --> 01:04:32,079
like grows and nurtures over the course

1760
01:04:36,549 --> 01:04:34,480
of five days and i think that's the

1761
01:04:38,230 --> 01:04:36,559
beauty of the place is it's it's

1762
01:04:40,230 --> 01:04:38,240
structured in a way

1763
01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:40,240
where you feel like you can say anything

1764
01:04:44,470 --> 01:04:42,240
even if you're a somewhat stigmatized

1765
01:04:46,710 --> 01:04:44,480
researcher at your university that's a

1766
01:04:48,390 --> 01:04:46,720
safe space set and setting it's like a

1767
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:48,400
set and setting psychedelic thing but

1768
01:04:51,430 --> 01:04:49,680
for ideas

1769
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:51,440
and then

1770
01:04:56,470 --> 01:04:54,960
the ideas flow they move and the space

1771
01:04:58,710 --> 01:04:56,480
nurtures that

1772
01:05:00,870 --> 01:04:58,720
um so i think it's all of those i don't

1773
01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:00,880
think you can boil it down just to eslin

1774
01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:03,839
this happens many other places too

1775
01:05:09,430 --> 01:05:06,880
they do a great job but i think it's

1776
01:05:11,029 --> 01:05:09,440
also

1777
01:05:13,750 --> 01:05:11,039
that the vision

1778
01:05:16,870 --> 01:05:13,760
of not just jeff but the the center for

1779
01:05:18,549 --> 01:05:16,880
theory and research which is part of us

1780
01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:18,559
and michael murphy

1781
01:05:22,789 --> 01:05:21,200
and and so many other people it yeah i

1782
01:05:25,190 --> 01:05:22,799
don't know it's hard to really nail down

1783
01:05:27,349 --> 01:05:25,200
and i feel you know funny saying this is

1784
01:05:29,589 --> 01:05:27,359
someone that's only been there once but

1785
01:05:31,670 --> 01:05:29,599
it was really impactful and

1786
01:05:33,270 --> 01:05:31,680
i know it is for everybody else too and

1787
01:05:35,589 --> 01:05:33,280
it's a beautiful place and you can go

1788
01:05:38,150 --> 01:05:35,599
there you can do yoga retreats and

1789
01:05:39,910 --> 01:05:38,160
meditation and lots of other things it's

1790
01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:39,920
a little pricey but

1791
01:05:43,829 --> 01:05:42,160
the space is very conducive to opening

1792
01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:43,839
your mind

1793
01:05:48,870 --> 01:05:46,880
for sure i love it well um mike thanks

1794
01:05:50,549 --> 01:05:48,880
so much for spending this evening with

1795
01:05:53,109 --> 01:05:50,559
us i really do appreciate it i feel like

1796
01:05:55,109 --> 01:05:53,119
we're just kind of tipping the

1797
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:55,119
uh hit the tip of the iceberg so maybe

1798
01:05:59,670 --> 01:05:57,359
maybe we can bring it back on and

1799
01:06:02,069 --> 01:05:59,680
get deeper into a few times yeah i mean

1800
01:06:03,349 --> 01:06:02,079
i think only 10 of the icebergs above

1801
01:06:05,270 --> 01:06:03,359
water so

1802
01:06:09,190 --> 01:06:05,280
okay i've got we've got nine more

1803
01:06:10,390 --> 01:06:09,200
episodes before we get to them yes

1804
01:06:11,900 --> 01:06:10,400
all right

1805
01:06:15,829 --> 01:06:11,910
we'll see you tomorrow same time

1806
01:06:17,990 --> 01:06:15,839
[Laughter]

1807
01:06:19,990 --> 01:06:18,000
all right no i really do appreciate it

1808
01:06:22,710 --> 01:06:20,000
thank you so much for everything you you

1809
01:06:24,470 --> 01:06:22,720
do and uh i look forward to seeing more

1810
01:06:25,670 --> 01:06:24,480
work from you in the future at whatever

1811
01:06:28,069 --> 01:06:25,680
point that is

1812
01:06:30,789 --> 01:06:28,079
absolutely yeah so great talking to you

1813
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:30,799
uh have a a beautiful evening and take

1814
01:06:35,670 --> 01:06:32,960
care of yourselves thank you thanks so

1815
01:06:37,029 --> 01:06:35,680
much appreciate it

1816
01:06:38,230 --> 01:06:37,039
that was awesome

1817
01:06:43,510 --> 01:06:38,240
round two

1818
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:43,520
damn that was great i really enjoyed it

1819
01:06:47,190 --> 01:06:44,880
like

1820
01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:47,200
yeah and what an interesting pairing of

1821
01:06:50,309 --> 01:06:49,200
people you know going from avi to

1822
01:06:52,789 --> 01:06:50,319
michael

1823
01:06:55,109 --> 01:06:52,799
and uh you know it really

1824
01:06:55,829 --> 01:06:55,119
you know it's appropriate that i

1825
01:07:13,910 --> 01:06:55,839
i

1826
01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:13,920
you know we could have gone to the extra

1827
01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:15,520
you know we could have gone to and done

1828
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:17,280
the hell put off ultra terrestrials

1829
01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:20,400
question then but it felt really nice

1830
01:07:25,510 --> 01:07:23,280
uh yeah i had that spaced out today i'm

1831
01:07:28,789 --> 01:07:25,520
not sure we could have got much from uh

1832
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:28,799
dr loeb on that question

1833
01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:29,520
so

1834
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:31,920
let's talk about catalina island man

1835
01:07:37,349 --> 01:07:33,839
yeah i'd be like well there is no

1836
01:07:38,870 --> 01:07:37,359
evidence yeah yeah catalina island it's

1837
01:07:39,829 --> 01:07:38,880
very interesting

1838
01:07:45,109 --> 01:07:39,839
yeah

1839
01:07:48,069 --> 01:07:45,119
but i mean both what's interesting about

1840
01:07:50,950 --> 01:07:48,079
dr loeb though is in in this nasa thing

1841
01:07:53,829 --> 01:07:50,960
run side by side is i think dr loeb will

1842
01:07:56,309 --> 01:07:53,839
have whatever nasa is looking for in

1843
01:07:57,029 --> 01:07:56,319
like half the time which is

1844
01:07:59,510 --> 01:07:57,039
yes

1845
01:08:02,150 --> 01:07:59,520
yeah and he seems very confident about

1846
01:08:04,309 --> 01:08:02,160
that and i i do i do definitely

1847
01:08:06,150 --> 01:08:04,319
appreciate about that about him and you

1848
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:06,160
know like seeing

1849
01:08:11,029 --> 01:08:08,880
it it's cool to go from like the top of

1850
01:08:13,589 --> 01:08:11,039
harvard college observatory and it being

1851
01:08:15,510 --> 01:08:13,599
like as much as it can be with the

1852
01:08:17,430 --> 01:08:15,520
symbology of it yeah

1853
01:08:20,149 --> 01:08:17,440
right i mean that's a big that's a big

1854
01:08:22,709 --> 01:08:20,159
damn deal to have like sky 360 type

1855
01:08:25,269 --> 01:08:22,719
stuff up there on on the top of harvard

1856
01:08:27,349 --> 01:08:25,279
college observatory now and you know

1857
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:27,359
seeing knowing that stuff like that is

1858
01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:29,920
going to be deployed more is dope and

1859
01:08:35,269 --> 01:08:32,480
then you know we come here to kind of

1860
01:08:38,550 --> 01:08:35,279
like the midnight episode we kind of you

1861
01:08:40,789 --> 01:08:38,560
know i was strongly i was strongly

1862
01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:40,799
recognizing towards the end of the show

1863
01:08:46,149 --> 01:08:41,920
how

1864
01:08:49,349 --> 01:08:46,159
audience the fact that we started at

1865
01:08:52,149 --> 01:08:49,359
midnight um for them with mike masters

1866
01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:52,159
because that's definitely got yeah god

1867
01:08:56,070 --> 01:08:53,920
dang it i didn't get to the time

1868
01:08:59,110 --> 01:08:56,080
traveling hipster question

1869
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:59,120
uh we're gonna have to i promised

1870
01:09:02,709 --> 01:09:00,480
somebody that i can't name that i was

1871
01:09:04,390 --> 01:09:02,719
gonna that i was going to uh that i was

1872
01:09:06,950 --> 01:09:04,400
gonna ask that question

1873
01:09:08,550 --> 01:09:06,960
yeah look at that guy it's 1941 it's a

1874
01:09:11,749 --> 01:09:08,560
real photograph

1875
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:11,759
from canada it's in a canadian museum

1876
01:09:14,870 --> 01:09:13,600
like can you guys find the one person

1877
01:09:18,149 --> 01:09:14,880
that doesn't look like they belong in

1878
01:09:21,110 --> 01:09:18,159
1941 i think i know that guy

1879
01:09:23,189 --> 01:09:21,120
right and scroll down and yeah exactly

1880
01:09:24,870 --> 01:09:23,199
wait is that mike masters scroll down

1881
01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:24,880
and like look at it and look at his

1882
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:26,159
camera too

1883
01:09:31,189 --> 01:09:28,080
like he's got this little and the camera

1884
01:09:35,110 --> 01:09:31,199
is weird too even for 1941 it's strange

1885
01:09:37,430 --> 01:09:35,120
it's like really compact anyway um

1886
01:09:40,390 --> 01:09:37,440
anyway we'll get to the time traveling

1887
01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:40,400
hipster out of place artifacts and many

1888
01:09:44,950 --> 01:09:42,960
other questions

1889
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:44,960
the next time that we have mic masters

1890
01:09:49,510 --> 01:09:47,520
on which hopefully is pretty soon

1891
01:09:52,390 --> 01:09:49,520
because i'd love that oh it was sure it

1892
01:09:54,310 --> 01:09:52,400
was sherry she outed herself here so

1893
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:54,320
yeah i did probably yeah and i was

1894
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:56,400
really psyched about i i sent you a copy

1895
01:09:59,669 --> 01:09:57,600
of the picture just so we could talk

1896
01:10:01,910 --> 01:09:59,679
about and i got lost i got lost in the

1897
01:10:03,990 --> 01:10:01,920
in the scene it totally reminds me of a

1898
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:04,000
friend i have named steve it looks just

1899
01:10:08,310 --> 01:10:06,560
like him and if time travel became

1900
01:10:11,110 --> 01:10:08,320
possible at some point

1901
01:10:13,030 --> 01:10:11,120
during his life i could completely see

1902
01:10:15,030 --> 01:10:13,040
him doing something like that seeing him

1903
01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:15,040
running straight with the camera in

1904
01:10:18,790 --> 01:10:16,960
those glasses like

1905
01:10:21,030 --> 01:10:18,800
straight to the opening up straight to

1906
01:10:24,149 --> 01:10:21,040
the opening of a bridge in canada in

1907
01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:24,159
1941 right

1908
01:10:28,310 --> 01:10:26,080
all right buddy i love you man good i

1909
01:10:30,229 --> 01:10:28,320
love you so much yeah great show thanks

1910
01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:30,239
to everybody in the chat i'm sorry to

1911
01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:31,840
people that we didn't get to all the

1912
01:10:35,590 --> 01:10:33,760
questions i didn't even get to all my

1913
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:35,600
questions i'm sure you're you're in the

1914
01:10:40,550 --> 01:10:39,120
same boat there so um it just it means

1915
01:10:42,310 --> 01:10:40,560
that there's gonna have to be a part two

1916
01:10:44,149 --> 01:10:42,320
there's gonna have to be a part two

1917
01:10:47,750 --> 01:10:44,159
conversation just kind of took on its

1918
01:10:48,790 --> 01:10:47,760
own life it was very organic so i i i

1919
01:10:51,189 --> 01:10:48,800
liked it

1920
01:10:53,990 --> 01:10:51,199
yeah as the best often do well have a

1921
01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:54,000
good night i'm sure you're hangry so uh

1922
01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:57,600
i'm not i'm not but okay great so you'll

1923
01:11:01,110 --> 01:10:59,280
need a different excuse to leave this

1924
01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:01,120
time

1925
01:11:04,550 --> 01:11:02,719
well i'm almost hangry i haven't had

1926
01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:04,560
dinner yet oh there it is

1927
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:06,560
there we go all right somebody's got to

1928
01:11:15,670 --> 01:11:10,000
be angry all right peace out love you